Comments on: The Internet is broken in China http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/ agile software development, python programming, entrepreneurship, life in china Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:03:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.12-alpha by: Marc http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-484 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:34:08 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-484 <p>Hi there:</p> <p>I have gotten the bobodogs.com site when accessing google.com from my apartment before. I think selling this space to bobodogs is reprehensible, also. Then again, despite the protestations of some of my friends who work in the biz here in Beijing, the Internet is a fucking joke here. The government has no ethics, the companies have no ethics, and it's all just par for the course.</p> <p>I just figure eventually (maybe soner than we think), these sorts of schemes will have no choice but to go away, just China is growing more and more dependent on foreign money, and they are going to have to have these kinds of links fully functioning, instead of the frankenstein monster it seems to be now.</p> Hi there:

I have gotten the bobodogs.com site when accessing google.com from my apartment before. I think selling this space to bobodogs is reprehensible, also. Then again, despite the protestations of some of my friends who work in the biz here in Beijing, the Internet is a fucking joke here. The government has no ethics, the companies have no ethics, and it’s all just par for the course.

I just figure eventually (maybe soner than we think), these sorts of schemes will have no choice but to go away, just China is growing more and more dependent on foreign money, and they are going to have to have these kinds of links fully functioning, instead of the frankenstein monster it seems to be now.

]]> by: bjorn http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-399 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:24:07 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-399 <p>A friend of mine reporting getting the Bobodogs page when trying to access Google as well, and I seem to remember having seen this as well. DNS lookups from China sometimes fails (UDP isn't reliable) or time out too quickly, so the first couple of lookups can fail only for the later once to succeed.</p> <p>Returning a Bobodogs error page truly breaks the Internet in this case.</p> <p>Let us know what you find from talking to CNC.</p> A friend of mine reporting getting the Bobodogs page when trying to access Google as well, and I seem to remember having seen this as well. DNS lookups from China sometimes fails (UDP isn’t reliable) or time out too quickly, so the first couple of lookups can fail only for the later once to succeed.

Returning a Bobodogs error page truly breaks the Internet in this case.

Let us know what you find from talking to CNC.

]]> by: Amy http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-398 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:01:27 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-398 <p>I was running a demo the other day to show Linux is a virtual land free of virus... then I made a typo in firefox address bar and it brought up this ugly bobodogs page! I was quite sure it was not caused by spam plugins but I just didn't have time to digest what it actually meant.</p> <p>That was about 2 months ago. Thank you for your research on the issue. People like us can easily fix the issue by removing/replacing DNS server 202.106.46.151 (the one with illegal wildcard resolve settings) in resolv.conf, though I understand that's not the point of this problem. I will try to talk to the people I know in CNC about it.</p> I was running a demo the other day to show Linux is a virtual land free of virus… then I made a typo in firefox address bar and it brought up this ugly bobodogs page! I was quite sure it was not caused by spam plugins but I just didn’t have time to digest what it actually meant.

That was about 2 months ago. Thank you for your research on the issue. People like us can easily fix the issue by removing/replacing DNS server 202.106.46.151 (the one with illegal wildcard resolve settings) in resolv.conf, though I understand that’s not the point of this problem. I will try to talk to the people I know in CNC about it.

]]> by: bjorn http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-371 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:01:13 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-371 <p>It's not immediately obvious that your attention has value and that spammers are stealing it (and in the case of SMS also stealing your RMB), and that this wrong. It's been a slow realization in the West as well. Currently not too much value is put on people's time and attention in China, but given the speed most things develop here, I wouldn't be surprised if this changed in a few years.</p> <p>Meanwhile, I'm considering reporting to China Mobile the spams I do get. Not sure, but I suspect Unicom is about the same.</p> It’s not immediately obvious that your attention has value and that spammers are stealing it (and in the case of SMS also stealing your RMB), and that this wrong. It’s been a slow realization in the West as well. Currently not too much value is put on people’s time and attention in China, but given the speed most things develop here, I wouldn’t be surprised if this changed in a few years.

Meanwhile, I’m considering reporting to China Mobile the spams I do get. Not sure, but I suspect Unicom is about the same.

]]> by: Richard http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-370 Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:13:29 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-370 <p>Yeah - but they need you to do it for each and every number that comes in...... Sheesh. It is never ending.</p> <p>It can't be a secret to see where on your network someone is linked in and sending mass sms and then just block them.</p> <p>I wish there was a "DO NOT SMS" list in China like the "DO NOT CALL" list in the states. I just find it completely incredulous how they casn do it. I pay for the phone - and for that I get the benefit of advertising. They should offer a lower monthly rate for people that will put up with the constant beep, beep, beep, beep, beep of their phones.....</p> <p>I shouldn't be suprised. China. No ethics.</p> <p>The problem for me is with server monitoring. It is like the boy who cried wolf. Any particular beep - I don't know if it is an advertisment or a real notification from a system or a person. So unfair, such an abuse of my patronage. I wonder if UNICOM has this problem too?</p> Yeah - but they need you to do it for each and every number that comes in…… Sheesh. It is never ending.

It can’t be a secret to see where on your network someone is linked in and sending mass sms and then just block them.

I wish there was a “DO NOT SMS” list in China like the “DO NOT CALL” list in the states. I just find it completely incredulous how they casn do it. I pay for the phone - and for that I get the benefit of advertising. They should offer a lower monthly rate for people that will put up with the constant beep, beep, beep, beep, beep of their phones…..

I shouldn’t be suprised. China. No ethics.

The problem for me is with server monitoring. It is like the boy who cried wolf. Any particular beep - I don’t know if it is an advertisment or a real notification from a system or a person. So unfair, such an abuse of my patronage. I wonder if UNICOM has this problem too?

]]> by: bjorn http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-369 Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:12:03 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-369 <p>Hey, Richard, I tried your site http://utilitycomputing.com.cn/ and at a different hotspot. It's using the same DNS's, and since it seems the DNS isn't resolving yet, one of the DNS servers is also redirecting me to the bobodogs site.</p> <p>Stupid me, I only now realize that what they're trying to do is return something that looks like the IE DNS failure page but add advertising to it, thus the IE looking failure thing on the left side of the page. Oh welll, it's just confusing.</p> <p>Agree with you about SMS spam. You can actually report this to China Mobile, though.</p> Hey, Richard, I tried your site http://utilitycomputing.com.cn/ and at a different hotspot. It’s using the same DNS’s, and since it seems the DNS isn’t resolving yet, one of the DNS servers is also redirecting me to the bobodogs site.

Stupid me, I only now realize that what they’re trying to do is return something that looks like the IE DNS failure page but add advertising to it, thus the IE looking failure thing on the left side of the page. Oh welll, it’s just confusing.

Agree with you about SMS spam. You can actually report this to China Mobile, though.

]]> by: Richard http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-368 Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:36:39 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-368 <p>What about all the damm un solicited spam that gets sent to my mobile phone in the form of SMS day and night!!!</p> <p>China will make a profit at any chance and screw the rules and whoever is in their way to do so. Lack of accountability by the people, the law enforcers and the willingness for people to just "accept as reality" and allow others to screw them over.</p> <p>Those guangao sms piss me off to no ends. If my phone service was free - it would be a different story but a 1,500 rmb a month in phone bills - I deserve better.</p> What about all the damm un solicited spam that gets sent to my mobile phone in the form of SMS day and night!!!

China will make a profit at any chance and screw the rules and whoever is in their way to do so. Lack of accountability by the people, the law enforcers and the willingness for people to just “accept as reality” and allow others to screw them over.

Those guangao sms piss me off to no ends. If my phone service was free - it would be a different story but a 1,500 rmb a month in phone bills - I deserve better.

]]> by: Adam http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-363 Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:46:39 +0000 http://stabell.org/2006/11/11/the-internet-is-broken-in-china/#comment-363 <p>Those bastards!</p> Those bastards!

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